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	<title>Comments on: Follow the herd – The end of critical thinking</title>
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		<title>By: Dr. No</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr. No</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Aug 2005 21:19:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I play MMORPGs a lot.  And this post reminds me of the &quot;anti fanbois&quot; sentiment.

On one side you have the fanbois:  the people that really like what they have; and on the other you have the guys who hate them.  Ironically, these anti-fanbois generally feel that THEY are the critcal thinkers; and the fanbois are mindless drones who just like what they like because -- well they like it.

It&#039;s a fairly assinine attitude.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I play MMORPGs a lot.  And this post reminds me of the &#8220;anti fanbois&#8221; sentiment.</p>
<p>On one side you have the fanbois:  the people that really like what they have; and on the other you have the guys who hate them.  Ironically, these anti-fanbois generally feel that THEY are the critcal thinkers; and the fanbois are mindless drones who just like what they like because &#8212; well they like it.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a fairly assinine attitude.</p>
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		<title>By: Cobbie Behrend</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cobbie Behrend</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jun 2005 07:16:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is displaying a lack of critical thinking when making the choice of which notebook to buy really a big deal?  But lets go with the argument that this is just one small indicator of a larger systemic problem that developers are not questioning things enough before adopting them.  

I do have to admit that I was a bit dismayed at the speed that the term &quot;dependency injection&quot; was adopted when the word came down from on high in lengthy form that DI was oh so much more preferable to &quot;inversion of control&quot;.  Personally I still perfer &quot;hollywood principle&quot;.  But to what end?  I was annoyed, but there wasn&#039;t really any harm being caused, was there?

You point out three harms that could occur when people don&#039;t think critically about what they are adopting: people could waste time adopting something that does not meet their needs, people could adopt a solution that may exceed the learning curve required for other people to adopt it, and last of all  the technology being adopted could get a bum rap when it fails for the non-critical adopter.  

Of these I see the first two as being significant: these actually have the potential to waste resources.  Perhaps you could explain the thrid a little more?  Who cares if someone is ignorant about why their adoption failed, are the people you mention actually listened to? 

Setting the harms next to the powerbook comparison makes that part of your blog smell like rant.  Or are you suggesting that these powerbook followers will a) find their shiny new powerbook inadequate and blame Apple, or b) prevent other people from being able to use their computer?     

I like analogies-- what do you think of this one: lots of people love cars that they know little about mechanically, suck way too much gas, and provide a substandard amount of cargo room for their category.  But they look cool, smell nice, have little touches here and there, and other bells and wistles that make you smile.  :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is displaying a lack of critical thinking when making the choice of which notebook to buy really a big deal?  But lets go with the argument that this is just one small indicator of a larger systemic problem that developers are not questioning things enough before adopting them.  </p>
<p>I do have to admit that I was a bit dismayed at the speed that the term &#8220;dependency injection&#8221; was adopted when the word came down from on high in lengthy form that DI was oh so much more preferable to &#8220;inversion of control&#8221;.  Personally I still perfer &#8220;hollywood principle&#8221;.  But to what end?  I was annoyed, but there wasn&#8217;t really any harm being caused, was there?</p>
<p>You point out three harms that could occur when people don&#8217;t think critically about what they are adopting: people could waste time adopting something that does not meet their needs, people could adopt a solution that may exceed the learning curve required for other people to adopt it, and last of all  the technology being adopted could get a bum rap when it fails for the non-critical adopter.  </p>
<p>Of these I see the first two as being significant: these actually have the potential to waste resources.  Perhaps you could explain the thrid a little more?  Who cares if someone is ignorant about why their adoption failed, are the people you mention actually listened to? </p>
<p>Setting the harms next to the powerbook comparison makes that part of your blog smell like rant.  Or are you suggesting that these powerbook followers will a) find their shiny new powerbook inadequate and blame Apple, or b) prevent other people from being able to use their computer?     </p>
<p>I like analogies&#8211; what do you think of this one: lots of people love cars that they know little about mechanically, suck way too much gas, and provide a substandard amount of cargo room for their category.  But they look cool, smell nice, have little touches here and there, and other bells and wistles that make you smile.  <img src='http://www.j2eegeek.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Pete Prodoehl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pete Prodoehl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jun 2005 22:16:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, I&#039;m the Pete mentioned in the post... Just for the record I&#039;ve been using computers made by Apple since 1980 and Windows since the mid-90&#039;s and Linux since about 1998 when Vinny set up an account for me. ;)

Anyway, I was pretty much set to dump the Mac before OS X came out, but it was the perfect combination of what I wanted, unix at the core, with a great UI and user experience on top of it. As for Windows, I&#039;ve always disliked it, and as for me &quot;losing out on a job&quot; it was more like me turning it down if I had to use Windows all day long... Life is too short for me to spend all day using an OS I can&#039;t stand... 

As for &quot;bandwagon jumpers&quot; yeah, too many people see the &quot;cool new thing&quot; that everyone says is the &quot;cool new thing&quot; without fully evaluating it, and make a quick decision. I&#039;d call it part early-adopter, part foolishness in some cases.

And Vinny, as far as switching from Windows to OS X and dealing with software, there is a ton of open-source stuff that will do what you need. I own very few commercial apps, since I can usually find an open-source solution for OS X, so unless you have some specific niche in software you can&#039;t live without, chances are, you&#039;ll be ok.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, I&#8217;m the Pete mentioned in the post&#8230; Just for the record I&#8217;ve been using computers made by Apple since 1980 and Windows since the mid-90&#8242;s and Linux since about 1998 when Vinny set up an account for me. <img src='http://www.j2eegeek.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Anyway, I was pretty much set to dump the Mac before OS X came out, but it was the perfect combination of what I wanted, unix at the core, with a great UI and user experience on top of it. As for Windows, I&#8217;ve always disliked it, and as for me &#8220;losing out on a job&#8221; it was more like me turning it down if I had to use Windows all day long&#8230; Life is too short for me to spend all day using an OS I can&#8217;t stand&#8230; </p>
<p>As for &#8220;bandwagon jumpers&#8221; yeah, too many people see the &#8220;cool new thing&#8221; that everyone says is the &#8220;cool new thing&#8221; without fully evaluating it, and make a quick decision. I&#8217;d call it part early-adopter, part foolishness in some cases.</p>
<p>And Vinny, as far as switching from Windows to OS X and dealing with software, there is a ton of open-source stuff that will do what you need. I own very few commercial apps, since I can usually find an open-source solution for OS X, so unless you have some specific niche in software you can&#8217;t live without, chances are, you&#8217;ll be ok.</p>
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		<title>By: Ross Greinke</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ross Greinke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 May 2005 18:09:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow.  I almost didn&#039;t reply to this blog.  I just recently got a PowerBook, too, but not because I&#039;m trying to jump on the bandwagon.  I got it because I&#039;m tired of WinDoze and I&#039;ve had fleeting success in getting Linux to run right on a laptop (with sound, peripherals, etc).  Plus, I just wanted to see if I could do all of my Java development on a Mac.  I still love the *ahem* 4 Linux boxes I have that are mainly server machines, but I never run X on them.

Oh yeah, by the way, IDEA looks beautiful on OS X. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow.  I almost didn&#8217;t reply to this blog.  I just recently got a PowerBook, too, but not because I&#8217;m trying to jump on the bandwagon.  I got it because I&#8217;m tired of WinDoze and I&#8217;ve had fleeting success in getting Linux to run right on a laptop (with sound, peripherals, etc).  Plus, I just wanted to see if I could do all of my Java development on a Mac.  I still love the *ahem* 4 Linux boxes I have that are mainly server machines, but I never run X on them.</p>
<p>Oh yeah, by the way, IDEA looks beautiful on OS X. <img src='http://www.j2eegeek.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Mike Shoemaker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Shoemaker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 May 2005 16:09:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, I&#039;m cool but my coolness is orthogonal to me being a Mac user :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, I&#8217;m cool but my coolness is orthogonal to me being a Mac user <img src='http://www.j2eegeek.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Angsuman Chakraborty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Angsuman Chakraborty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 May 2005 16:05:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have had several people prodding me to buy a Mac, and I keep taking their attention elsewhere after few obligatory complimentary tidbits about Mac to make them happy :)

I am happy with what I have, a PC running Windows 2000 with loads of customization and tons of applications. The only reason I will switch to a Mac is if someone presents it to me and someone volunteers to configures it for me with my favorite applications. The first may be easier looking how people are getting fanatic to move everyone to Mac, the second is harder.

You have to admit Steve Jobs is a genius in catering to public tastes and sensibility.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have had several people prodding me to buy a Mac, and I keep taking their attention elsewhere after few obligatory complimentary tidbits about Mac to make them happy <img src='http://www.j2eegeek.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I am happy with what I have, a PC running Windows 2000 with loads of customization and tons of applications. The only reason I will switch to a Mac is if someone presents it to me and someone volunteers to configures it for me with my favorite applications. The first may be easier looking how people are getting fanatic to move everyone to Mac, the second is harder.</p>
<p>You have to admit Steve Jobs is a genius in catering to public tastes and sensibility.</p>
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		<title>By: PJ Hyett</title>
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		<dc:creator>PJ Hyett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 May 2005 16:01:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You gave into the hype by buying an overpriced MP3 player also known as an IPod. It&#039;s a bit hypocritical to give new Apple users (me included) a hard time when you&#039;re just as guilty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You gave into the hype by buying an overpriced MP3 player also known as an IPod. It&#8217;s a bit hypocritical to give new Apple users (me included) a hard time when you&#8217;re just as guilty.</p>
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		<title>By: Vinny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vinny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 May 2005 15:43:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok anonymous commenter - you are completely missing my point. I am NOT saying all Mac users don&#039;t think - just some of them.  In their attempt to emulate people they perceive to be cool, they are using Macs.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok anonymous commenter &#8211; you are completely missing my point. I am NOT saying all Mac users don&#8217;t think &#8211; just some of them.  In their attempt to emulate people they perceive to be cool, they are using Macs.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Shoemaker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Shoemaker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 May 2005 15:31:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Everyone who has a Mac is a follower&quot;.   Hmm, I guess I don&#039;t have to point out the flaw in that logic.  I hope you aren’t writing software. Like always, the signal to noise ratio for blog comments is on par with the comment author&#039;s anonymity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Everyone who has a Mac is a follower&#8221;.   Hmm, I guess I don&#8217;t have to point out the flaw in that logic.  I hope you aren’t writing software. Like always, the signal to noise ratio for blog comments is on par with the comment author&#8217;s anonymity.</p>
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		<title>By: Vibhu Srinivasan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vibhu Srinivasan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 May 2005 15:12:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Way to go Vinny. You hit the issue right on. 

I noticed that at all these Symposiums ( eg No Fluff , Just Mac :) most of the -your-own-book-author-pseudo-thought-leaders&#039;, used a Mac. 
and then soon if someone carried a poor Dell, you are pretty much a outcast. 

I have had no need yet to reboot my linux server in three years.Recenly I lost one of my Laptops ( blue screen of death) and initially it looked all cool, but soon i started to miss all the little enhancements I had.
It look me a long time even after having the backups to make the new machine back to the same state. 

The familiar open dos prompt here, cygwin, Firefox plugins and so on. 

In the Microsoft problem , the reverse problem is Microsoft ships the whole world as a part of the .NET, Visual Studio , Team install. 

I have seem folks drag and drop components without having a clue what they are using just based on the fact that some part of the Microsoft site said that was the coolest thing to do. 

When they find they are stuck, they have no clue how to fix.

Your point on &quot;Don’t just assume that because it comes from Apache, it has to be good&quot; in the Microsoft world is translated to &quot;Assume that everything from Microsoft is good&quot;, which is not always ( or may i say ) never true:)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Way to go Vinny. You hit the issue right on. </p>
<p>I noticed that at all these Symposiums ( eg No Fluff , Just Mac <img src='http://www.j2eegeek.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  most of the -your-own-book-author-pseudo-thought-leaders&#8217;, used a Mac.<br />
and then soon if someone carried a poor Dell, you are pretty much a outcast. </p>
<p>I have had no need yet to reboot my linux server in three years.Recenly I lost one of my Laptops ( blue screen of death) and initially it looked all cool, but soon i started to miss all the little enhancements I had.<br />
It look me a long time even after having the backups to make the new machine back to the same state. </p>
<p>The familiar open dos prompt here, cygwin, Firefox plugins and so on. </p>
<p>In the Microsoft problem , the reverse problem is Microsoft ships the whole world as a part of the .NET, Visual Studio , Team install. </p>
<p>I have seem folks drag and drop components without having a clue what they are using just based on the fact that some part of the Microsoft site said that was the coolest thing to do. </p>
<p>When they find they are stuck, they have no clue how to fix.</p>
<p>Your point on &#8220;Don’t just assume that because it comes from Apache, it has to be good&#8221; in the Microsoft world is translated to &#8220;Assume that everything from Microsoft is good&#8221;, which is not always ( or may i say ) never true:)</p>
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		<title>By: n2</title>
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		<dc:creator>n2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 May 2005 14:41:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great.  Everyone who has a Mac is a follower and you (being a Windows/Linux guy) are a leader?  And people who use Hibernate and people who use Apache...
Anyone who would use these products didn&#039;t use critical thinking when deciding to do so?

Wow, it must be tough being you...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great.  Everyone who has a Mac is a follower and you (being a Windows/Linux guy) are a leader?  And people who use Hibernate and people who use Apache&#8230;<br />
Anyone who would use these products didn&#8217;t use critical thinking when deciding to do so?</p>
<p>Wow, it must be tough being you&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: n</title>
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		<dc:creator>n</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 May 2005 14:01:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m with you there on the Mac OS X thing.  I&#039;m actually a Linux user.  I use Linux on the desktop (as well as the server).  I&#039;ve got everything setup how I want it and I am very efficient with Linux.  I don&#039;t spend much time tweaking it becomes everything is already in place and it just works.  I recently bought a Mac Mini to see what the big deal is with OS X and have been pretty much unimpressed.  In fact, I haven&#039;t used it in about 2 weeks and its collecting dust.  I&#039;m sure there are some nice things about OS X, but I don&#039;t really understand why so many people make such a big deal of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with you there on the Mac OS X thing.  I&#8217;m actually a Linux user.  I use Linux on the desktop (as well as the server).  I&#8217;ve got everything setup how I want it and I am very efficient with Linux.  I don&#8217;t spend much time tweaking it becomes everything is already in place and it just works.  I recently bought a Mac Mini to see what the big deal is with OS X and have been pretty much unimpressed.  In fact, I haven&#8217;t used it in about 2 weeks and its collecting dust.  I&#8217;m sure there are some nice things about OS X, but I don&#8217;t really understand why so many people make such a big deal of it.</p>
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